Mike Cope's blog

Friday, August 19, 2005

Just read where my alma mater is having Ann Coulter come speak on campus. On Greg's blog someone blasted him for hating the school. Some people love their alma mater like a two year old loves his mommy. Others love their alma mater like a mature person loves his or her spouse after decades together. The former group loves because THE INSTITUTION IS ALWAYS RIGHT AND SHOULDN'T BE CHALLENGED. The latter group loves in spite of flaws. Who would have guessed fifteen years ago that we'd be in a place where Ann Coulter can speak at Harding but Jeff Walling can't? - - - - Chris calls him Mr. Incredible. Once you see Joel Quile, you know why. Big guy who looks like he might have a hard time squeezing into a small car. My life has been blessed by Mr. Incredible. He has drawn people into his world of faith and love--especially children, teens, university students. Even more amazing is Mrs. Incredible. I wrote about her sometime last year. She's the voice of ACU--the one who always ends conversations by telling you to have a "blessed day." And from Kim it isn't like "God-bless-you" when someone sneezes. It's an actual blessing. The Incredibles are moving to the Metroplex. (Is there an area called Trophy Club? If so, that's where they are. Or maybe that's the name of the church.) Quile, I'm going to miss you, my friend. Stay in touch.


  • Why can't Jeff speak at Harding? I like Jeff, he's a great speaker.

    By Blogger KentF, at 8/19/2005 05:43:00 AM  

  • Mike,

    What Harding is doing seems very odd and sad. It should be a no brainer that there is a difference between someone who is an intellectual conservative, like a William Buckley, from a right wing "shock jock" like Ann Coulter. The same could be said of the extreme left versus a liberal. Is Harding now going to invite Michael Moore to be "fair and balanced?"

    As a Harding graduate, I am very blessed for my experience. However, I am so thankful that my two oldest children go to ACU.

    This would make a great bumper sticker: "My children and all the money I can borrow go to ACU."

    By Blogger David Michael, at 8/19/2005 05:52:00 AM  

  • Kent -

    Probably for the same reason I (an alumnus) can't speak there any longer. But that's really a question to ask the Harding administration. (It's important to remember here that these policies are set by the administration and not by all the many wonderful faculty and staff members who are blessing students every day.)

    It's probably a good question for all Harding alumni to call and ask about: "Why exactly can Ann Coulter speak at Harding but Jeff Walling can't?" Mike

    By Blogger Mike, at 8/19/2005 05:57:00 AM  

  • Thanks, Mike, for pointing this out...

    I guess over the years you've come accustomed to the barbs and slings, but being accused of hating that school (which does include wonderful faculty) stung a little.

    There are a few alumni, like myself, who are a little verbal when it comes to discussing issues at HU, and til now it's felt like throwing BBs at an elephant...I can throw really hard, but it won't notice.

    Hopefully this will finally pull some things into the light, for scrutiny and crtique (not hatred), and some good things can come of it.


    By Blogger Greg Kendall-Ball, at 8/19/2005 06:47:00 AM  

  • Thanks Mike,
    Interesting reading and sorry I didn't know that neither you nor Jeff were allowed to speak there. Sad indeed and a true loss for those that could hear you and Jeff. I'm searching for a really pithy statement on fear and faith and I have none. These actions have left me speechless.

    By Blogger KentF, at 8/19/2005 06:50:00 AM  

  • Here's a response I just left to someone on Greg's blog -- someone who said that only sensitive, bleeding heart liberals (AKA "girlie boys") would disapprove of Coulter coming.

    Jimbo – I’m hardly an ultra-sensitive, bleeding heart liberal. But your language is just why I can’t believe Harding would invite Ann Coulter. She (like Al Franken) is divisive. Her world is a black/white “I’m-right-and-you’re-an-idiot” world. If you don’t agree with her then you’re a bleeding heart liberal who doesn’t deserve to live here.

    The church is made up of people who are all over the page politically: right-wing, left-wing, moderates. Philip Yancey just wrote about how different the politic views are from nation to nation. The most powerful Christian movement today is in China, where maybe 70-100 million have turned to Christ. And many of them, Yancey said, continue to be communists. But they are fiercely devoted to the way of Jesus Christ. (They wouldn’t really think of themselves as Communists, but as Christ-followers who live in a land where they are loyal patriots.)

    It saddens me for people to be so fiercely devoted to right-wing (or left-wing) politics. It’s fine for people to think that way and to enter into spirited debates. BUT THAT IS NOT WHAT HARDING —THE HARDING I KNEW UNDER CLIFF GANUS’S LEADERSHIP —WAS ALL ABOUT.

    My allegiance isn’t to American politics, Fox News, CNN, etc. It is to the Way of Jesus Christ—a way that knows no national boundaries, no political parties. America may be gone in a hundred years. Nations come and go. But the way of Jesus has continued through 2000 years in every conceivable political situation.

    Believe it or not, I know lots of people who can become apoplectic when talking about Ann Coulter, Al Franken, Fox News, federal judges, and George Bush—but who seem to yawn when talking about discipleship, materialism, justice, and racism. They give time and money to their CAUSE (liberal or conservative); but won’t share the good news of Jesus with the people they work with.

    Mike Cope

    By Blogger Mike, at 8/19/2005 07:08:00 AM  

  • Apoplectic...what a great word.

    That's something I've noticed in my few years as a blogger...if I write about the situation in Rwanda or Sudan or some other thing that needs our attention, I'll get a few comments from a few friends.

    But, you touch someone's sacred cow like Harding or the CofC's anti-Catholic stance, or politics, and the hit counts go through the roof.

    That is a sad state of affairs, but one that's all too common.

    I remember a letter you read at church last year from a graduate student, lamenting how we teach kids not to drink or swear, but don't give a crap if they ignore the homeless or are too materialistic.

    I only pray that this situation can galvanize us to pray even more earnestly for the Kingdom to come more fully!

    By Blogger Greg Kendall-Ball, at 8/19/2005 07:13:00 AM  

  • I remember the day I was told I couldn't have Jeff come back to speak at Harding's Youth Forum the next year. I asked why and was told it was because all of the complaints that were received. I warned of the consequences and the next year, the Youth Forum numbers tanked. My experiences with Jeff were positive, uplifting, funny, and inspiring. He always wanted to know who had complained about him. He wanted their phone number or their dorm room and he would call or talk to them face to face. He was one of the most gentle and sincere men of God I've ever known. Yet....that happens to him.

    By Blogger drjimwhite, at 8/19/2005 07:32:00 AM  

  • One more I left on Greg's blog:

    One more thing, Jimbo. About “that wacko Cindy Sheehan.” You didn’t really say that, did you? If WWJD means anything, I have to wonder if Jesus would refer to a grieving, angry mother who lost her son in a war she considers unjust (right or wrong) as a wacko. (I don’t mean to assume too much. I don’t know who you are. And I shouldn’t assume that Christ-following is your thing.)

    I liked what Cal Thomas said this week. President Bush should meet with her, showing the respect that she deserves (as, I believe, he would). But he should include in the meeting others—other grieving parents who agree with her and others who disagree with her. They should meet to LISTEN to one another and to try to understand one another.

    In Ann Coulter’s world, just because someone is opposed to the war, he or she is WACKO. In Michael Moore’s world, just because someone is in favor of the war, he or she is AN IDIOT. Both worlds are a long way from the world that interests me: the one imagined by Jesus when he announced that the reign of God was breaking in.


    By Blogger Mike, at 8/19/2005 07:49:00 AM  

  • Remember when Landon Saunders, Stanley Ship, and Doug Kostowski spoke at Harding? Remember Terry Smith speaking on the lawn?

    Is Randy Harris, Jim or Tim Woodruff still invited to speak?

    Why hasn't Lynn Anderson been named "Alumni of the Year?" Few Church of Christ ministers have had such a powerful affect on the lives of so many.

    During my years at Harding, I think I went to two American Studies programs, however, I did my best not to miss outside speakers who shared Jesus like the men mentioned above. Yes, it is sad how Harding is presenting itself in the political world, but the greater loss is spiritual.

    (please give me grace on two comments in one day).

    By Blogger David Michael, at 8/19/2005 08:10:00 AM  

  • When Jeff Walling spoke at my home congregation in the late '80s, he was talking about Jesus turning water into wine and pointed out that "Jesus liked to party." That was the end of Jeff's speaking engagements at that church. It was a shame that the church leaders couldn't see past that comment to see how Jeff inspired people. My boyfriend at the time was baptized after one of Jeff's talks that week -- something my family and I had been working on for a year-and-a-half. But no, Jeff said the words "Jesus" and "party" in the same sentence, so they went back to the same old stupid gospel meetings led by speakers who thought Jule Miller was the greatest thing since sliced bread. Not that I'm bitter or anything.

    By Blogger Deana Nall, at 8/19/2005 08:50:00 AM  

  • Well, you can add me to the list of people who can't speak at HU either. Reason: they don't ask me. Reason: they don't know me.

    By Blogger MarkS, at 8/19/2005 09:32:00 AM  

  • During my HU years, I was president of the American Studies Institute Distinguished Student Program and was blessed to mee the likes of G.H.W. Bush, John Sununu and Scott O'Grady (both devout Catholics), Gov. Huckabee (a prayerful man), and to hear Margaret Thatcher and some other serious, engaging folks. During those years, we also sent delegations twice to the Arkansas Delta town of Marianna to enage with their impoverished students and community leaders to learn about the economics of poverty and development in a blighted place. I was inspired and encouraged about HU's seeming interest in affecting the poor in the state and contributing "free market enterprise" principles to the glory of God and the service of the poor.

    Now, I am ashamed and disappointed to have ASI on my resume: from the discussion earlier this year about HU's front-page advertisement as one of the nation's leading "conservative college," to this incredible regression to the dregs of loud-mouth, abrasive punditry. John Ashcroft, despite his bad politics, at least is a confessional Christian with the background to contribute to a right conversation. Coulter is a clown with a mean spirit, hardly in keeping with the two greatest commands.

    Many of us have commented on the dichotomy between this public face and the faculty, students and ministers on campus who do not share this extremism and who are much more aligned with Jesus' agenda for the Kingdom than contemporary political alignments. I wonder how long they can hold out, and I despair that they cannot speak out for fear of job insecurity.

    On HU's frontpage this week as well is a proud announcment of a large donation from the Masons.

    Is this an identity crisis, or is it, as some have said, an increasingly blatant and terrifying posture without regard to faith?

    By Blogger JRB, at 8/19/2005 09:39:00 AM  

  • Like JRB, I was also the President of the ASI student organization my senior year at Harding. I posted this on GKB's blog this morning, but I'll parrot myself (forgiveness, please!) here:

    I agree that Harding is a wonderful place and that amazing things are happening there. I know I had a wonderful four years there…two years of which I was a student officer (and President my senior year) of the ASI Student group. I can’t possibly overstate how much Kingdom work is being done by hundreds of student each year. But too often (on this blog, and on others) I’ve heard these good things used as an excuse to mask the terrible decisions the administration there seems to consistently make.

    I think I’ve said this before, but it is BECAUSE of the good things that students and faculty there are doing that I’m upset. I’ve now lived in three different states since leaving Harding – Indiana, Michigan, and California – and the first thing (sometimes the only thing) people know about Harding is not how many yards were cleaned in Judsonia by its students, but how the school has sold out and is in the hip pocket of the GOP. As long as HU continues to do silly things like invite Ann Coulter to campus, those impressions will never be corrected…and I think that’s a huge disservice to all of us in the HU family that its administration isn’t a little more sensitive to its reputation outside the halls of the Heritage Foundation or Young America’s Foundation. True story – when I interviewed for a job at a major automaker in Detroit, the only thing my future boss knew about Harding was that it was “incredibly right-wing…even further right than Hillsdale.” She had no idea it was a Christian school.

    That’s sad, I think.

    By Blogger Malibu Librarian, at 8/19/2005 10:02:00 AM  

  • I try very hard not to become overly emotional and angry about some of the silly decisions my Alma Mater (HU) makes. I will continue to try in the future. Today, after hearing of the Ann Coulter speaking engagement, I failed.

    I went to HU as drug using messed up teenager. I left HU as a Jesus loving freak on my way to the mission field. My time at Harding University saved my soul and along the way I had some of the best times of my life. Until today I have never waivered in my wanting my own children (one on the way) to attend Harding. WAIVERING MIGHTILY.

    I have never agreed with the Public Face of Harding. I am a liberal after all. But I had never failed to defend it against the slings and arrows that are constantly being thrown at my beloved HU. Now I say, bring it on. Cast your dispersions, whatever they may be, and you will hear no complaint from me.

    I am angry today and I don't like it.

    p.s. The funny thing is that I became a liberal at Harding. I experienced an amazing open mindedness and loving that I had never previously experienced before. A lot of that came from the Professors. I don't doubt that the same open mindedness and loving continues on at Harding, but today those wonderful traits have been beaten away by the awful decision to allow this hateful woman to speak. Who knows maybe her time at Harding will convert her to Christianity.

    By Blogger Kile, at 8/19/2005 10:18:00 AM  

  • Oh dear, how sad!

    When will we of the Church universal stop the infighting and begin to present a united front to battle the evil in this world, announcing the Good News of Jesus to the hurting and lost? Will we ever? I don't know, but do know it's very sad that children of God, with closed minds firmly locked shut, will treat each other with such meanness.

    May the grace and love of Jesus be our driving force - may we zero in on our common ground in Him, giving grace for differing opinions that are just opinions, holding tightly to pure doctrine, and may it be soon!!

    By Blogger Kathy, at 8/19/2005 10:44:00 AM  

  • Kile
    She considers herself a Christian and a champion of sorts for Christians unless that Christian is a political liberal in which case they are only objects of contempt.

    By Blogger Beverly Choate Dowdy, at 8/19/2005 10:52:00 AM  

  • Jesus did not treat anyone as an "object of contempt."

    By Blogger JRB, at 8/19/2005 10:58:00 AM  

  • Kile,
    You are absolutely right about the dichotomy between the students and some of the faculty, and the administration of the school.

    Part of my anger stems from the fact that many, many people pass through the halls of Harding, and are shaped. It is my hope that the people that come out of Harding can understand their identity as Christians separate and apart from their political ideology. I wish that people could concentrate on becoming followers of the way, the Way, without having these poltical side issues thrown in.

    I hate to think that generations of people might leave the Bubble and venture out into the world, equating faith with a particular brand of politics. Like JRB said, "Jesus never treated anyone like an "object of contempt," but I'm afraid that by allowing people like Coulter to have her 15 minutes fosters a sense in which it is okay to hate those who oppose you.

    Sorry, I'll try to let this go...

    By Blogger Greg Kendall-Ball, at 8/19/2005 11:08:00 AM  

  • I sent an email to Harding's development office today regarding this issue. I hope that all who are moved to post their criticism today will take an active step to confront the university in love and peace. The pertinent text of my email is at www.paxfellaship.blogspot.com.


    By Blogger JRB, at 8/19/2005 11:12:00 AM  

  • Sorry to break into the HU conversation, but Mike, Trophy Club is a town (albeit a town with a silly name) and the body of Christ that meets at the Lake Cities church is very excited to have the Quile's join us. Thanks for your leadership at Highland and for pastoring the Quile's over the last couple of years.
    Now, back to your HU discussion. Please keep it civil.
    Stephen Bailey
    ACU ('92)

    By Blogger Stephen Bailey, at 8/19/2005 11:16:00 AM  

  • I, too, have contacted a few people about the speech (I prefer the phone; it's more difficult to ignore than a letter). I would encourage everyone to do the same, but make sure you do so with facts in hand.

    I recommend contacting Dr. Carr, Dr. Reely, and the alumni association.

    By Blogger Gay Restorationist, at 8/19/2005 11:18:00 AM  

  • Yeah, sorry to distract from your eulogizing of Joel...he is a good guy and they will be missed.

    Well, their absense will be noted...it's kind of hard to miss Joel..he is Mr. Incredible after all!

    By Blogger Greg Kendall-Ball, at 8/19/2005 11:26:00 AM  

  • Thank you for you kind words about the Quiles. We are very excited about having him here at Lake Cities in Trophy Club. There is a buzz of anticipation about where our church is going, and I am glad to have leaders like Joel and Kim Quile.
    Matt McBryde
    Youth Minister - Lake Cities

    By Blogger Matt McBryde, at 8/19/2005 11:35:00 AM  

  • I know this is getting off the topic a bit, but here goes:

    Wacko is an inappropriate word for Cindy Sheehan, but not that inappropriate.

    She has called President Bush "the biggest terrorist in the world." She calls the U.S. government a "morally repugnant system". She has been quoted as saying, "This country is not worth dying for."

    Her son had re-enlisted AFTER the war had started. I don't think he would agree with what she's doing -- and I don't think the soldiers who are working so hard in Iraq right now appreciate her very much. She is being bankrolled by one of the founders of Ben and Jerrys's Ice Cream -- that should tell you a lot.

    A lot of mothers who have lost sons to the war wish that Cindy Sheehan would just shut-up.

    Should President Bush meet with every person who disagrees with him and sets up a tent near his home?

    By Blogger Lucinda Ross, at 8/19/2005 11:40:00 AM  

  • I for one, can echo that this country is not worth dying for. For that matter, no country on earth is worth dying for. The only cause for which I could conceivable give my life is the cause of Christ, and I somehow doubt greatly whether those two would ever coincide.

    By Blogger Greg Kendall-Ball, at 8/19/2005 11:58:00 AM  

  • I can see that Harding is in an impassioned lip lock with Ann Coulter. Her dreadful speech will no doubt receive cheers from many who, although they would never say it, hate people not like them.

    At the same time, I would invite anyone who is in or around the Searcy area to go to the event and speak.

    Harding has been growing significantly in enrollment and financial gifts since 1987. They will continue to grow. Yes, their political branding will attract enough people to allow them to consider themselves a success, but at what cost?

    My great fear for Harding is that it is becoming a Pharisee factory rather than a missionary developing and nurturing station.

    Finally, what is their mission? No, not the stated mission in words. What I mean is this: if you had to create a mission statement for Harding and all you had was their policy for deciding who gets the loudest and largest voices on campus, what would that mission statement be?

    That is what really scares me about Harding these days.

    By Blogger Fajita, at 8/19/2005 12:14:00 PM  

  • Being a Harding Grad, I find this very interesting. Mike Cope and Jeff Walling are not allowed to speak, but Ann Coulter is? That seems somewhat out of whack.

    Greg: I must respectfully disagree with you about dying for your country. I would encourage you to read Patrick Mead's latest post. Read it here.

    By Blogger Jeff Slater, at 8/19/2005 12:48:00 PM  

  • Oh yeah, and my family. I would certainly give up my life if I were able to spare the life of my wife or child.

    Just thought I should mention that...

    By Blogger Greg Kendall-Ball, at 8/19/2005 12:59:00 PM  

  • Jeff,
    I read that article earlier this morning, and I still feel the same way. There are those who DO feel that America is worth dying for, and since everyone has their opinion, I didn't comment.

    But, if push comes to shove and I am presented with two choices: defend the United States or act in a way that does disservice to the Kingdom, I pray that I have the strength and the ability to wave bye-bye to our 200-odd-year-old experiment.

    If Christ died for his Kingdom, rather than intiating an earthly one like so many wished he would, then I have to follow that example.

    By Blogger Greg Kendall-Ball, at 8/19/2005 01:03:00 PM  

  • I appreciate, but chuckle at Dr. Jim's comments regarding the reasoning for Jeff's never speaking again at Harding...it was because "all the complaints they received". How many is that - 3 or 50, or did it even matter? We never quite know the size of "that group" now do we.

    I hate to be dogmatic - but I have never seen an issue or incident such as this in which a rather dramatic decision was made due to "all of the complaints" that did not point back directly to the leadership in place.

    Why, oh why are we so often led by the dysfunctional few?

    By Blogger KentF, at 8/19/2005 01:15:00 PM  

  • So you guys are having a hard time explaining how Ann Coulter can speak and Jeff Walling can't. If you think that is a tough question, explain the thinking that allows Walter Cronkite to speak but balks at Jimmy Allen. That's an even tougher question!

    By Blogger Jim Shelton, at 8/19/2005 01:23:00 PM  

  • Jim -
    You gotta fill us in on that one. Forgive me if I'm out of some loop in which Walter Cronkite and Prof. Allen are squaring off (although I'd like to see it). You don't happen to know Zell Miller, do you? He's speaking at Harding, too, and he likes a good duel.

    By Blogger JRB, at 8/19/2005 02:29:00 PM  

  • jrb said, "Jim -
    You gotta fill us in on that one."

    Well................it is a little delicate since I'm actually speaking on my place of employment. Walter came for a fundraising event last December. Several of us Harding grads had for years wanted Jimmy to come speak in chapel. There were some that were none to happy with us but who didn't blink at Walter -- who had recently written an article that seemed to be in support of the legalization of same-sex marriages. Some things are just hard to understand.

    By Blogger Jim Shelton, at 8/19/2005 02:52:00 PM  

  • I'm guessing you don't work for Union College, so I'm trying to get my mind around the fact that your school would not enjoy a visit from Prof. Allen. (We are talking about THE Jimmy Allen, aren't we? He who taught many of us the first 8 chapters of Romans and with whom I had nasty fights in class for a semester? Bless him.) Surely, SURELY, Jimmy isn't too progressive for FHU? Then again, I can't imagine that he's too conservative for FHU either. What a quandary.

    By Blogger JRB, at 8/19/2005 03:09:00 PM  

  • Mike,

    Re: "Some people love their alma mater like a two year old loves his mommy. Others love their alma mater like a mature person loves his or her spouse after decades together."

    If this is a "marriage", I would have to say it is in deep trouble and probably on the verge of divorce.

    By Blogger Serena Voss, at 8/20/2005 05:48:00 AM  

  • Kent-
    It's not how many complain, it's who they are. One thing I learned unequivocally during my years in Searcy, is that money speaks to the administration more than anything else. One of my good friends was student body pres our senior year, and Dr. Burks told him that one rule was still in place simply because of a couple of donors. Not because the rule had any real validity. Extrapolate that out to Jeff: he says something that offends a major donor, who threatens to send their money elsewhere, and all of a sudden it's Jeff who's not allowed back, not a dogmatic donor with unrealistic expectations and millions to give.

    Or maybe I'm just really cynical.

    By Blogger Tiffany, at 8/20/2005 10:26:00 AM  

  • Jim,
    Looking at your local and your favorite reading list, I would love to see some of those authors speaking on the main stage at HU and FHU. They have words and wisdom that should be heard, especially Camp and the Crux authors.

    I have been too busy to comment on this debacle, but I am also at a loss of words. JRB and Kile are two of the reasons I love HU so much. We were infintely shaped into the image of Christ during our time at HU and challenged to become students of life and faith. We were shaped in the classroom and in long conversations in dorms, coffee shops, graveyards, and apartments on the subjects of faith, politics, and life in the world.

    I have been increasingly uneasy with the continuing chasm I see growing between HU and many of its alumni. This has only confirmed my recently struggles with HU and her marriage to extreme right wing of the GOP.

    I speak now mostly in shock and frustration, so please forgive me or merely indulge my ramble.

    By Blogger Eric, at 8/20/2005 10:36:00 AM  

  • Interesting: Seems that the more things change, the more they remain the same. In the waning days of 1847 (yes, you read that right), under the pseudonym of Currer Bell, British novelist, Charlotte Brontë, wrote the following:

    "Conventionality is not morality. Self-righteousness is not religion. To attack the first is not to assail the last. To pluck the mask from the face of the Pharisee is not to lift an impious hand to the Crown of Thorns.

    "These things and deeds are diametrically opposed; they are as distinct as is vice from virtue. Men too often confound them; they should not be confounded: appearance should not be mistaken for truth; narrow human doctrines, that only tend to elate and magnify a few, should not be substituted for the world-redeeming creed of Christ. There is—I repeat it—a difference; and it is a good, and not a bad action to mark broadly and clearly the line of separation between them.

    "The world may not like to see these ideas dissevered, for it has been accustomed to blend them; finding it convenient to make external show pass for sterling worth—to let whitewashed walls vouch for clean shrines. It may hate him who dares to scrutinise and expose—to rase the gilding, and show base metal under it—to penetrate the sepulcher, and reveal charnel relics; but, hate as it will, it is indebted to him."

    "Jane Eyre"
    Preface, page xx
    Charlotte Brontë

    If you happen to have "Jane Eyre" sitting on a shelf collecting dust somewhere, you might want to pick it up and read on in the Preface. You will note that Charlotte Brontë dedicates the second edition of this classic work to one whom she evidently believes is quite adept in the delicate and dangerous task of plucking the mask from Pharisees.

    It seems that the more things change the more they remain the same. Just like Texans don’t want anyone messin’ with them or their Stetsons, most Pharisees would be a thankin’ ya kindly to quit messin’ with their masks.

    By Blogger Bill, at 8/20/2005 05:59:00 PM  

  • Beverly,

    As I was away this past weekend this reply is late in coming.

    I should apologize for my arrogance in proclaiming that Ann is in need of conversion. I hate it when conservatives make the same assumption about people on the liberal side of things and I shouldn't do it for people on the far far far conservative side of things.

    I find many of her comments to be against what I would think Christ would find acceptable. But if Grace can cover my multitude of sins then the same is surely true for Ms. Coulter.

    Though I would imagine that Ms.Coulter would be apoplectic at the suggestion that she might need grace to cover her sins.

    Wow, I just can't help myself from being snide and arrogant.

    By Blogger Kile, at 8/22/2005 10:04:00 AM  

  • Mike,

    I suspect you've never read Al Franken. He's nothing like Ann Coulter.

    Coulter is a cruel, hateful and vicious. Franken is silly and playful.

    They come from two polar opposites of diplomacy. Franken uses humor to disarm. Coulter uses it to embitter.

    By Blogger brent crockett, at 9/01/2005 07:37:00 PM  

  • Al Franken is nothing like Ann Coulter.

    Coulter is shrill, hateful and cruel. Franken is dopey, playful and silly.

    Coulter uses humor to deride and Franken uses it to disarm.

    They're absolutely nothing alike.

    By Blogger brent crockett, at 9/02/2005 05:40:00 AM  

  • Mike,
    Did you say that Ann Coulter's views are un-Christian? Would you be willing to offer insight on the christlikeness of other public figures? Bill Clinton? Jesse Jackson?
    I have read Ann Coulter's weekly column for a couple of years now but I don't remember one that said ‘I’m-right-and-you’re-an-idiot’ . I could be that someone opposed to her was left feeling like an "idiot" , but I'm not sure she should get all the blame for that. After reading the blogs against Ann, all I see is that you have some unflattering names for her but no good reasons to keep her from coming to HU. If you are opposed to someone, offer them the courtesy of telling them why. Ann would.

    By Blogger c hand, at 9/03/2005 08:47:00 PM  

  • I know the Coulter stuff is old news now. However, I came across this quote from Al Franken and knew I had seen something similar somewhere else. Al Franken? Aw Mike, now I really worried about you! ;-D

    "Some people love their alma mater like a two year old loves his mommy. Others love their alma mater like a mature person loves his or her spouse after decades together." Mike Cope

    "You see, they love America the way a four-year-old loves her mommy. Liberals love America like grown-ups. To a four-year-old, everything Mommy does is wonderful and anyone who criticizes Mommy is bad. Grown-up love means actually understanding what you love, taking the good with the bad, and helping your loved one grow." Al Franken

    By Blogger Jim Shelton, at 10/10/2005 03:15:00 PM  

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